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Dear Phil,

It is a great pleasure to report that I was able to get hold of a copy of The Galtees Anthology through Barnes and Noble and have read and reread it with tremendous pride of association. It is well known by my family in America that our ancestors were avid defenders of Ireland politically and stories from this book shed great insight on the plight of their time.

As mentioned in prior correspondence, my gg grandmother was Hannah O'Leary and it appears she was from Ballyfauskeen. Perhaps at some point we will find we have some shared ancestry.

I was not able to make contact with John Gallahue. It's possible he receives a great deal of such mail. If you have the opportunity to pass on my congratulations to him on the work I would greatly appreciate it. I will hopefully be able to visit Gallahue's myself next season.

Many thanks again, Phil. Your contribution was not just to the Anthology but, rather a contribution to the greater understanding of this place in the hearts of all those like myself, who descend from this beautiful region.


All the best of wishes,


Mark


--
Mark S. Flynn Garretson
PO Box 650
Kathleen, FL 33849
U.S.A.

Phone: 863-815-8590

A LETTER FROM NEW YORK

We (you and I) have what I think of as that "Galbally-Mitchelstown connection" . Whenever I think of that area --and it is often-- it is brought to life for me through my mothers stories of it. Many of them go back to the times of "the troubles", and I have been reflecting recently on our tragic and misdirected war in Iraq, and thinking how relevant the lessons of The Irish Insurgency That Could Not Have Been Denied, are to fashioning an enlightened approach for any "super-power" to an indigenous opposition --such as the U.S. in Iraq. And how much history might mean to an Arab looking at The West. (Even the simple business of defining "terrorist" requires a non-partisan wisdom that seems very elusive)

Just a thought...albeit a non-tinsely, non-seasonal thought
Best regards

(name withheld)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hinves [mailto:hinves@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2003 3:53 PM
To: phil@etu.asn.au
Subject: quain family history

Hi Phil Came across your site on 'Lord Massey and the tenants of Anglesboro' and found it extremely interesting. My gggrandfather Patrick William Quain, his wife and 7 children left Limerick 1858 and settled in central NSW. As I am researching my family history (as most other people are doing) was wondering if you have any info similar to that article or if you could point me in the right direction. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Michele Hinves(nee Quain)
Hobart Tas

 

hello phil,

My name is james hourigan,spittle,ballylanders,county limerick,southern ireland.

I, my wife norah and daugther kathryn would like to wish brothers willie,john,larry and sister kathleen the very best in the melbourne walk.councillor john gallehue will be talking to you on monday morning.

He has done lots of vibrant achievments for his community. Give a hello phil to John from me and my family.

thanking you phil,

from james.

Dear Phil

Thanks for the reply--I must go off to the LDS Mormon church in
our town to see if I can straighten out the birthplace of Frances Massey. I
have found some info in Canada of a Frances Mills--her married name--that
hints at her being born about 1819 in England of Irish parentage--Massey
family hung around in West Yorkshire sometimes.

There is an LDS marriage record from Halifax in Yorkshire saying Lord Massey married Jane Stocks May 5, 1818. Stocks family there was big in brewing

and coal mines. Burke's peerage ignores that record and has the 4th Lord Massey marrying Matilda White in 1826 when he would have been 33 years old. Her family had money too with her father Luke White running the Irish lottery among other interests. Sounds like the lordly families liked to add wives with money to estates--of course.

Anyway our oral history says Lord Massey's daughter ran off with "American ship captain and was disowned" could have been a captain on North American ship line since the LDS marriage record says Nathaniel Mills married Frances Massey in 1842 in Ireland. Other Massey women married into the Mills family in Castletown near Castle Connell where Massey family had estates.

Dear Phil Cleary

I'm a great believer in the concept of family biography, and one ancestor of mine, one Alexander O'Donnell, is somebody I've been trying to research and write about over the years.It would hardly surprise me one bit to discover that we are related. I am really just touching base here, and literally have no time right now to pursue all the connections that were set off on reading through your site. But I cannot resist throwing out a few names and places to see what connections that you might make. (Let me add a note of caution, though: I seem to have gotten more than a little bit rusty on a lot of these details, and might misremember and/or misspeak.)

Darby O'Donnell was married to Eleanor Maunsell (I see that surname also in your site) in the late 1700s and early 1800s. (Darby was gamekeeper to Lord Massey; I have a document or letter that says he lived in a slated house and had access to firearms, etc etc.)

They had a large family of 6 or 7 children, among them Roger O'Donnell (your
site) and Alexander. Alexander emigrated to the U.S. in the 1850s, to
Charleston South Carolina, with a younger brother and maybe a sister; he
got into the Civil War (the 1st Irish Volunteers) and died in 1863 of
dysentery.

I have a photo of A O'D in his Sgt's uniform, and a few letters he wrote from the battlefield --one amazing account. (I want to get down to SC sometime to see what else I can come up with: I myself live in New York, have done since 1973. I was born in Cobh, Co. Cork in 1937) apprenticed at the store for 3 years, round about 1913, I understand. & Staten Island in New York.) And hope to hear from you sometime.


Malachi

 

Dear Phil,

Thank you so much for your reply. I've got a lot on my hands recently; apologies for the delay in replying. I still haven't figured out the technicalities of sending e-photos; will give it a shot when I get a bit more time.

Somehow I just came across your website tonight, and noticed that some part of my e-mail to you didn't survive --a section which mentioned Liam Lynch, who was a cousin of my mother Anne McCormick (1906-1994), nee O'Neill of O'Neill's General Store in Baldwin St. Mitchelstown. The O'Neill family originally hailed from Anglesborough, and one --John O'Neill, a farmer, still lives there, if I've got my details right.

My mother, Anne O'Neill, born Mitchelstown 1906, had two sisters, Judy and Brenda, and six brothers --Alan (Alexander), Ned, Jerome (I'm occluding the other 3 names right now.) My mother's father was married to Josephine O'Donnell (1865-1960?) of Galbally, who was related (granddaughter, I believe) to Darby O'Donnell, of Galbally --gamekeeper to Lord Massey.

Darby O'Donnell was father to Alexander O'Donnell, who emigrated with a younger brother and a sister, Mary Lee, to the USA --to Charleston, South Carolina, about 1850, got into the Civil War on the south side; was promoted to 1st Sergeant, and died in 1863 from dysentery at Gordonsville, Virginia. I have some of Alexander O'D's letters and a photograph, and hope to write a (family) historical biography centered on him.

My mother was, I think, about 10 years younger than her cousin, (the famous) Liam Lynch (shot by the Free Staters in 1922) Liam worked as an apprentice at O'Neill's General store for 3 years. From the way that she talked about him, I wonder if she didn't have a young girl's crush on Liam. She had many stories about Liam and his family: it was always a boisterous evening when the Lynches came visiting at Baldwin St. --loud talking and banging the table for emphasis, sort of thing.

My mother had heard a firsthand account of the famous incident of the capturing of General Lucas (in the melee Lucas and his colleague had spoken Arabic to each other --a reminder that the Brits were also sticking their oar in in the middle east at the time, with results that still resonate today, for some good, but mostly --I believe-- for ill. (People don't seem to realize that the Brits --after drawing up the boundaries for many of the Mid-East countries, around about 1917-- drew some very arbitrary lines around one space and called it Iraq. It was the oil that att-raq-ted them; the British Navy, enforcer of the Empire, was just switching over from coal to oil, hence the interest. But that's another story for another time --when we're thinking Globally as opposed to Galbally!)

In all our delving into our and each-others heritage --which I find just utterly fascinating-- I would be interested to hear any reflections from 'correspondents' on what was distinctive about the Galtee area. Is there, was there, a Galtee character? I have so much admiration for those people; their strong but relaxed moral fiber ( that does seem a little fanciful, but you know what I mean). Then there is the fact that they did so much with so little. And there was that relationship with the Anglo-occupiers.

(Darby O'Donnell for example, was apparently highly trusted by Lord Massey, but had access to firearms, and made some available to local inhabitants; as a young girl my mother was sternly admonished by the bony finger of Lady Kingston of Mitchelstown Castle for being out walking without A HAT! Or, on a more serious level, one often encounters the explanation that, for instance, Liam Lynch, was in his strong patriotism, and his death at age 29, compensating for the fact that his father was some sort of rent-collector/.agent, and, apparently thought of around the neighborhood as too much a servant of the landlord he was serving --I've forgotten who his 'boss' actually was.


By the way, I mention Liam Lynch because I notice that your correspondent Joe Gardner was interested, but didn't seem to have much information about him or his family. I have quite a bit of info, in case Joe has more questions.

I also intend to forward this e-mail to John Gallahue, because I am sure he has a lot more information on all of this. What a pleasure it would be to sit and talk to him over a pint of something or other in his pub --Guinness of course seems to be the "default" selection; a cold Smithwicks would do me fine just now. (By the way, I think that my brother Jerome McCormick from Cobh, Co. Cork, has had some enjoyable trips up to see John G.)

That's it for the moment, Phil. I enjoy your site very much, and thank you for it.
E-talk to you soon, I hope.
Malachi McCormick

(PS Maybe I should say a little bit about myself before I close here. I live in Staten Island in New York; I'm 67 and have run a small press making handmade books all done in my calligraphy. They are mostly, but not exclusively, of an Irish interest. Many of my books --though not all-- consist of my facing-page translations of classic Irish poetry ( if you are interested you can find them at my website, www.stonestreetpress.com )
At the moment I am getting ready for the big New York Book Fair, which will be on Fifth Avenue on Sunday September 21st. One of my new books will be "The Smallest Handmade and Handwritten Book in the World" --1/2 inch by 3/4 inch.)
-----
Malachi

malachimccormick@msn.com

Phil

HI Phil,
My dad , Paddy Bailey,is from the Coolagarranroe/Skeheenaranky areas, his family were from Kilbehenny, probably Coolboy. My dad is in Ireland right now, and hopefully has met up with John Gallahue, who told me his family are related to mine, how I've yet to discover.
I'm writing, to say, firstly, your site is great, very interesting reading for people like me who come from the Galtees (although born in England, obviously the roots are very strong!)
Also, I noticed that one of your correspondents, Jack and Barb Lucey of Adelaide, mentioned a Mary Chadwick. My ancestor James Bailey, who worked on the Kingston estate, leased land from the Earl, (like many others), but also seems to have sub-let to a Mary Chadwick, in the townland of Coolboy, parish of Kilbehenny. I wondered if you still had the Lucey's email address so I can contact them?


Another question, did you ever come across anyone who has local knowledge of the history of the area, especially the Kingston and Buckley estates?

What do you think of the fact that, for people wanting to research parish records in the Kilbehenny area, which is covered by the diocese of Cashel and Emly,they have to pay huge amounts of money to Tipperary Family History Research, because the Archbishop of Cashel and Emly won't allow public access to the church records? I think this is a disgrace, because lots of people can't afford the initial search fee charged at TFHR, and the archbishop has closed off all other routes.So we're having to pay for our ancestors baptism records etc, which surely belong more to us than to the Archbishop.
Anyway, enough from me, and thanks for reading this far!

Thank you for any help you can give Phil.
Cheers,
Margaret

---- Original Message -----
From: Margaret Butler
To: p.cleary@latrobe.edu.au
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:53 PM
Subject: Galtees chat

Butler, Margaret
E-mail Address(es):
magsbutler@hotmail.com

Hello Phil.


i found your web site most interesting and I thought you may be interested in my husband Jack's connection with the Cleary's. Jack's grandmother Mary Chadwick had a sister Margaret who married Charles Hugh Cleary, probably in Fitzroy. They had two sons. One was Charlie Cleary born 1888 and known in later life as the "Fighting Newsboy" he was a fly weight boxer.

I have a copy of a poster for his bout with Joe Curran at Ballarat also a photo of him. Charlie married Ellen McElvogue in 1907 in Melbourne. However he was murdered in 1917.He was shot in the head and the police reported in the "Argus"that they were trying to trace John Daniel Cutmore alias "Snowy Cutmore" for questioning.

Accoding to Jack's late father it had something to do with Charlie being keen on "Squizzy Taylors" girlfriend. Have you heard about Charlie? If you're interested let me know and I'll send some data for your records. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Jack & Barb Lucey - Adelaide.

Lucey, Barbara
E-mail Address(es):
barb@ace.net.au

 

From: Jill Douglas douglasj@usq.edu.au


Hi Phil

I have just spend a couple of hours reading articles in your website. I
loved all the Irish stories. I have a line of Slattery's who came from the
Galtees area. Thomas was born in Kilglass around 1806 and married a
Catherine CAHILL from Skeheenarinky. We believe they are linked to the
Slattery's buried in Kilbehenny graveyard. The family came out to Moreton
Bay over a period of three years. First John & Patrick SLATTERY arrived in
1863 followed two years later by Thomas, Catherine and another son Lawrence.
I have no information on two sisters Johanna and Catherine. Peter Slattery,
the Aust Rugby player is a descendant of John Slattery.

I have also been working with a Margaret Schuler of NZ who is researching
SLATTERY's. We believe the families are linked but unable to establish it
at this point. In her line William Slattery b 1827 married Bridget Cleary b
1850 and had a family of 11 children. They lived at Coolrue.

I can sent you the information she has supplied me if it is of interest to
you.

Yours

Jill

Dear Phil,

I am an American who has been trying to search the roots of my GGGrandfather Williams family. He came to America in 1828. He had left a letter to our family indicating that his family was from the Parish of Kilbenny and others were from the Parish of Kiltankin.

Last night, I spent about an hours time reviewing your site and came upon the grave information of David Williams (his grandfather) and Catherine Henesey Williams (his grandmother). This is so amazing and exciting that without leaving my door, I have now been able to go back this many generations. The photographs taken do indicate that the cemetery is not very well-kept.

I was wondering if anyone has ever thought of starting a collection to restore it. I would be so interested in this because the stones are so old and precious. Now, I definetly want to visit this cemetery. Please let me know your thoughts about restoring the cemetery. The stones appear to need be cleaned and the grass cut.


Thanks so much and I mean this from the bottom of my heart!

Yours

Mary Ellen Rowe Heath - PSUMOM901@AOL.COM

My GGGrandfather Williams came to America and settled in Latrobe, PA. It is where the Pittsburgh Steelers (PA Football team-practice at ST. Vincent's).

 

Dear Phil (Re Williams family of Kilbeheny)

Ancestry

Father's Side
My Father was Patrick Williams of Kiltankin, Parish of Templetenny, County Tipperary, Ireland.

Grandfather-David Williams
Grandmother-Catherine Hennesey

Great-Grandfather-Patrick Williams
Great-Grandmother-Ellen Foley

Mother's Side
My Mother was Nora Noonan, Parish of Kilbenny, County Limerick, Ireland.

Grandfather-Denis Noonan Grandmother-Mary Fitzgerald

Great-Grandfather-Timothy Noonan
Great-Grandmother-

Both Great-Grandfathers were living at my birth in 1804 and met at my christening by Rev. James Keating, the successor of martyred (in 1766) Father Nicholas Sheehy.

(Signed ) David Williams


The original letter was written by David Williams and this copy was copied from a typed copy given to me at the 1990 Williams-Doran family reunion. Aunt Ruth Hornfeck had the original, but passed away in 1997 and do not know who in the family has the original letter.

The contents of this letter indicated his Irish roots after coming to America in 1828 and marrying Ellen Cummings of Waterford, Ireland. It is not known if they were married in Ireland or in America. They had 10 children; Patrick F. who served in the civil war for the Union Army and died at the Battle of Fair Oaks, VA in 1862;Thomas A.; Vincent E.; Stephen; David F.; John Jerome; William Joseph; James D.; Mary Hanorah-my GGrandmother, and Nellie.

Mary H.Williams married Patrick Doran on 9/29/1875. He was from Cambria County, PA and a twin. His brother was James Doran. The twins father was James Doran of Callows County, Ireland and their mother was Mary Kennedy who was also from Ireland.

Patrick and Mary Williams Doran were married and had 9 children. They were Edward Pius; Vincent Joseph; John Lawrence; Mary Eleanor; Thomas Basil; Ruth Christine; Agnes Patrice; Raymond Marcellus and Anna Katherine. Anna Katherine is my Grandmother.

Mary Ellen Rowe Heath - PSUMOM901@AOL.COM

 

 

Dear Phil

My Grandfather was born in 1884 at Coolnamohogue near Anglesboro. His Father was Michael O'Neill. His Mother Bridget Condon. His brother lived on the same road as the Church in Anglesboro at the foot of the Galtees. It is still owned by an O'Neill / Condon descendent (Seamus O'Neill).

I have visited the cemetery at Kilbeheny but was unsuccessful in locating any O'Neill grave. My Grandfather's parents and other family members are buried there. I made visits to the cemetery in 1999 and 2001. As you know there are several Condon markers there.

John O'Neill and wife Sabina Morley

 

It seems there is a link between the Condon's and Cleary's. My Grandfather and his siblings must of known many of the Fenians in area including Liam Lynch. He emigrated to the USA and became a US citizen in 1911. He met and married Sabina Morley from Kildarra, Claremorris, County Mayo in the US. I will return to the Mitchelstown area in 2002.

I am very interested in the area history.

Joe Gardner

 

Dear Phil,

Thanks for your reply. It was a real pleasure to hear from you. Seamus
O'Neill's home is on the same side of the road as the Anglesboro Church.
Attached is a picture of Seamus and his family along with his Aunt May
O'Neill Hennessy. The picture was taken in the the cemetery at Kilbenney.
Seamus is a member of the Garda stationed in Limerick City. His mother
Bridie still resides at their home in Angleboro. May Hennessy was born in
this house built by her father James O'Neill (b.August 25, 1871). Seamus
more than likely will return to his family home on retirement.

My grandfather's (John b. March 3, 1883) youngest sister Mary O'Neill Casey (b.December 29, 1890) I believe was married to a school teacher who taught in the area. Her son was also a school teacher and recently retired and still
resides in the area. I am sure I have many cousins still alive in Ireland.
I know of two in Dublin. May O'Neill Hennessy resides at Burncourt, Cahir,
County Tipperary. She is my mother's 1'st cousin. Her brother Michael
resided at our home in the US. Had an Irish brogue till the day he died.
He was a wonderful oldtime Irishman. It did not take much to make him happy.

You may already be aware of some interesting history of the Fenian movement in the US and the first fighting army of the IRA led by General John O'Neill from County Monahan. General O'Neill was a American Civil War Veteran who invaded Canada on several occasions with arms supplied by the US government in retaliation for the British support of the Southern States during the American Civil War. Their intent was to exchange Canada for Ireland's freedom. He may have been successful if President Grant had not stopped the crossover of reinforcements at Niagra Falls, New York. He whipped a superior British force at the Battle of Ridgeway in Canada. A lot of info on Gen. O'Neill is on the web. Well I have taken up enough of your time.

Oh, I forgot to mention. My wife (Mary) has a first cousin Larry Wright
residing in Australia. Larry moved to Australia after serving two tours in
Vietnam. He is married to an Australian and has two teenage children. Larry
and I grew up together in Wilmington, Delaware USA and lived one block from each other. Maybe someday I will visit him and his family in Australia.

One of the pics is of the Glen of Atherlow (fantasic scenery) at the base of
the Galty's near Anglesboro. The third picture is a photo of myself (with
camera) and two cousins along with my Irish cousins on our visit to
Anglesboro for a family mass offered for living and deceased members of the
O'Neill and Condon families.

Regards,

Joe Gardner

Joe Gardner" <joegardner@erols.com>


 

Dear Phil

My grandfather attended church and possibly school at Angelsboro. He was baptized at the existing church in Kilbehenny. My grandfather emigrated to the USA and became a naturalized citizen in 1911.

His sister Bridget and brother Pat also emigrated to the US. Bridget married William Elliott in the US.

My grandfather met and married Sabina Morley in the US in 1912. My grandfather and his sister lived next door to one another in the US. My mother Eileen O'Neill Gardner and father raised their family just 4 doors away on the same block in Wilmington, Delaware.

Two of his brother James O'Neill - of the Boro Road -sons (John and Michael) emigrated to the US and lived with my grandparents until they were settled.

My grandfather's youngest sister Mary was the last O'Neill resident at Coolnamohoge. It is a beautiful site and some of the house foundation remains. It is no longer in an O'Neill family members hands. There is a story there was quite a family feud among Michael O'Neill's and Bridget Condon's grandchildren when Mary sold the property.


It could not have been worth much back when she sold it many years ago. Mary married a Casey (could there be a connection) who I believe was a school teacher. Their son is a recently retired school teacher who I am told by my cousin May O'Neill Hennessy was on vacation on my trip in 2001 to
Mitchelstown. He says there are O'Neills and Condons buried in the Mitchelstown Cemetery.

On my trip in 2003 I am going to make every effort to visit with him. Being a retired school teacher; he would have to know plenty about the local history.

Hopefully in the near future my wife and I will be able to spend several months a year in Ireland. My main project when their is to spend time uncovering family history and meeting the cousins. I have extensive research on my grandmother's Sabina Morley's family history. She was born at Kildarra, Claremorris, County Mayo.

Have visited the area in 1999 and 2001. There are some distant cousins in the area.

I have not had the opportunity meet any of them. Her parents are buried at Tulrahan Cemetery just up the street from their home. There is a large Celtic Cross erected on the family grave.

I was quoted a price of $200 American by a firm in Claremorris that specializes in cleaning gravestones. You can see this could be quite expensive to clean the stones at Kilbehenny Cemetery.

Michael Lewis is a school teacher at the school in Angelsboro. He resides at Coolnamohoge and knows many of the O'Neills. He gave me the schools email address but I never received a response. The gate to his home is constructed of stone taken from my grandfather's home at Coolnamohoge. I should write him and attempt to get an email address from him.<

I would really like to meet John Gallahue in Ballylanders on my next trip. I heard there is a nice pub in Ballylanders. My grandfather was acquainted with Liam Lynch who lived in angelsboro. My cousin May told me there are Lynch relatives living in the area. They probably have some stories.

Attached are a photo of my grandfather John O'Neill taken in Ireland and a family photo taken in America Circa 1915 of my grandfather and my grandmother and my grandfather's sister and husband along their children at the time.

Joe Gardner" <joegardner@erols.com

 

Phil,

Thank you for the info on John Gallahue. Following are the children of Michael O'Neill and Bridget Condon O'Neill of Coolnamohoge:

Edmond b. January 17, 1870
James August 23, 1871
Patrick July 27, 1873
Mary July 14, 1875
Ellen June 16, 1876
Edmond November 13, 1876 (date cannot be correct)
Henry December 23, 1879
John March 3, 1883 to 1947
Bridget September 14, 1886
Mary December 29, 1890

As you can see there were two Edmond's and two Mary's.

I will email John Gallahue requesting info on his book. I will also email him the photos of the O'Neills I sent you.

Keep in touch,
Joe Gardner

 

Phil,

I had the pleasure of visiting John Gallahue at his pub in Ballylanders on Sunday, June 26, 2003. My wife and I spent about an hour chatting with John. Wish we had more time; could have spent the day talking with John. He well acquainted with my cousins from the Boro Road. On our return visit I hope to spend more time with John. John provided me with two signed copies of "The Anthology of the Galtys." Attached is a picture of John and I drawing a beer at his pub.

Regards,

Joe Gardner

 

Dear Phil Cleary

You've done incredible work in tracing your ancestors back to Anglesboro.
As Ballylanders is only a stone's throw from Anglesboro I thought I'd drop
you a line. My Grandfather, Christy Cleary came from Ballylanders. Are you
aware of any of your family coming from there?
>
My information on Great Grandparents is non existent. Christy's parents
died when he was a young lad and he and his brother Jim ran away from home to avoid being sent to the 'poor house'. Christy eventually settled in
Carrigaline, Co. Cork. Jim, I believe, settled in England. There were
quite a few other brothers and sisters; Peggy (died in San Francisco in the
70's) Larry (died in 80's) and Nonie and Nellie (both died in the early 90's).

Christy and his wife Sally had 4 children; Patrick (58), still living in
Carrigaline; Noelle (56) my mother, living in West Cork; Cornelius (52),
still living in Carrigaline and Teresa (47) living in Dublin.

On the offchance that we might have a relative or two in common, bearing
in mind that the townlands are within a couple of miles of each other, I
thought I would drop you a line.
>
Sincerely,


Sue

 

Hi Phil

Only the Irish would name their son Martin Martin! Thanks so much for your
second response. I am currently sifting through my info and yours to see
what I can make of it all.

My Michael Martin speaks of his father as William Martin and mother, Ellen Connors both buried in Ballylanders churchyard, which does not rule out it being an uncle. There are so many common names between the families! Joanna, Mary, Michael a link will have to appear soon - and we are looking at the same century! Info so far is:

William Martin m Ellen Connors
d 24.6.1880 d 5.1.1862 (both buried Ballylanders)

SONS known of are Michael and Patrick

Michael Martin m Ellen Frazer
b 12.1833 and m 5.3.1862 (don't know where)
travelled to Aust/Brisbane on RMS Dacca arriving 30.5.1887 (54yrs old?)

Patrick Martin m Mary Mahoney
b 3.1835 and m 1866(don't know where)
Sailed for Australia on SS Oaklands to Adelaide arriving 22.9.1878

COUSINS mentioned in correspondence.

Mary and Ellena/Ellen Martin of Ballyfaskin daughters of Mrs Thomas Martin.
Correspondence reads:

'The last I remember to see from the train was your
loving mother, Mrs Thomas Martin, Ellen Richardson, and she crying and
roaring as the train turned around
.'

It is hard to tell here whether Michael is talking about Mrs T Martin being Ellen Richardson (maiden) or whether he is referring to 2 people.

Benjamin Martin m Joanna/Johanna Halloran
b app 1835 Country Limerick - Sailed for Australia on SS Oaklands to Adelaide arriving 22.9.1878 (BM then 43yrs) with 2 daughters Mary (3) and Johanna (9).


I have acquired death certificate for who we think is Ben - 10.12.03 at
Somerton near Glenelg, SA. I have also been emailed death details for Johanna Martin 5.6.1883 at Glynde, SA. (have yet to find their graves - they may shed some light on children etc and cause of her death) There are no births for a father Ben Martin in SA.

I promise to keep in touch as I find the time. Thank you so again for your
information.

Regards, Catherine Power

 

 

 

 

 

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